Pinan Nidan

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Post by shep »

I saw this clip and thought its got to be taking the pi--!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9_g6KDZ3U

But then I saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaH4LBiqylw

and I thought the robot did quite a good job after all!

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shep wrote:I saw this clip and thought its got to be taking the pi--!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw9_g6KDZ3U

But then I saw this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaH4LBiqylw

and I thought the robot did quite a good job after all!

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If you look on their channel they have 2 subscribers and on of them is Katafreek.....ahh...Katafreek.

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Where do I start? So many myths as well. We've already touched on bowing, then there is the look before you turn. In pinan yondan for the knee strike, he looked so high up that the opponent must have been one big giant, probably with his own sweetcorn farm.

This is where we wonder how those with eyes cannot see or at least call it something different.
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Going back to the robot theme, it just does not compute. I am sure a raft of threads will start at some future point with reference to our North American cousins.
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Re. the kata.

Sooooo far removed that it exists in a galaxy far far away.

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On further thought the Youtube P. Nidan kinda looked like….

Imagine a far distant future, after the oil had run out and humanity had turned upon itself leaving only a few desperate survivors, who by some quirk of fortune, set up isolated colonies and their technology had reverted back to something pre-dark ages and whose language had deteriorated into a mixture of simian grunts and text-speak.

Imagine further that hundreds of years had passed, generations had eked out a desperate existence and by pure chance a small group of individuals had stumbled upon a long buried Xeroxed manuscript which itself had been a copy of a copy of a twelfth generation original of a step by step picturebook of a ritualised dance called ‘Finan Nian’ which had been originally taught to a guy who learned it from another guy’s auntie who in turn learned it from her brother-in-laws lodger.

The intrepid explorers turned the Xerox into a kind of religious icon of which only they held the magic key……blah, blah….you get the drift.

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We can talk of speciation and evolution of karate. It should be barely discernible as we look on but we know it is happening as opposed to a flagrant mutation.
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Ah the winters are long in Canada ...!!


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There's a kids tv programme that reminds me of this. I cant remember what its called, but they line up the family and the first kid reads on a card what they have to draw. There are sliding doors between each family member and one at a time, they draw the object to the neigbour, only the direct neighbour can see. Then that door closes and the next person draws it to their neighbour and so on.

Sheesh, I dont think I explained it well. Its like chinese whispers with drawing.

So they get to the end and the last person has to say what it is.
As they progress through the family members, you can see the drawing get watered down, or sometimes changed where people draw what they thought they saw previously. For example, push bikes, become scooters etc.

I can see how this simple game can easily reflect karate, we aren't many generations down and its happening all over.

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Up till now the trades and craftsmen were able to pass down through generations of apprentices with no dilution, and probably with improvement.

The instant internet approach along with freedom of personal choice leads to the flitting from one source to another.
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