Youtube stuff

[T. Kimura]

There were some variations floating around in non-core kata in the 70s. There is an older Wadokai niseishi version where the turn at move 4 is reversed in direction. a shiko dachi is also inserted at move 5. Personally I like the directional change here (in rohai) as well as the jodan block at move six or so; I think the flow is better and makes the kata look less "choppy." We learned matsumora rohai for demo purposes (c.1974).

But kata is not a matter of preference surely it is a matter of study and I cannot see this version as being too choppy.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_gfGHCa5AM


oneya

No. I practice it the standard way. i just thought that the variation in the video flowed well, that's all.

[oneya]

Hi all,

A question just popped into my head when reading these comments about rohai. There is a similar 'shaped' move occurring in rohai, bassai and wanshu. I do not know the terminology but the body tends to end in a junzuki notsukomi shape and the arms tend to be in chudan and jodan simultaneous technique. It strikes me that I am under valuing the importance of this turning up so many times. or is it just the forward leaning versions of positions such as the last two moves of Pinan godan?

I know the interpretations of the use of the arms differ and I can see (and have seen) applications in pairs works but is there more? My spider sense starts to tingle when I see something repeating so often.

Sorry, it is a little vague as a question. I am not really sure what exactly I am asking. I am just sure I am missing something important.

If anyone can shake this tree then I would appreciate it.

Steve

Hi Steve, are you referring to the three yamazuki techniques in Rohai ??

oneya

[Gary]

I thought that, but Steve mentions Wanshu.

Gary

[oneya]

There were some variations floating around in non-core kata in the 70s. There is an older Wadokai niseishi version where the turn at move 4 is reversed in direction. a shiko dachi is also inserted at move 5. Personally I like the directional change here (in rohai) as well as the jodan block at move six or so; I think the flow is better and makes the kata look less "choppy." We learned matsumora rohai for demo purposes (c.1974).

But kata is not a matter of preference surely it is a matter of study and I cannot see this version as being too choppy.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_gfGHCa5AM


oneya

No. I practice it the standard way. i just thought that the variation in the video flowed well, that's all.

Hi T.
This is pure supposition but Wado lore has it that Ohtsuka meijin only took what was useful in the selection of kata and he seems to have discarded any thought of Itosu's Rohai nidan and sandan kata in favour of just Rohai shodan. Perhaps it is for this very "reverse direction" reason that he selected just the one that was useful as he did with Naihanchi. There is little in Itosu's Rohai series beyond Rohai shodan that shows a purpose or reason that cannot already be found in wado ryu so maybe the reverse movement was enough to get it selected, who knows?.

I am guessing here but he still seems happy with his selection in the video of him practicing.?

oneya..

[oneya]

I thought that, but Steve mentions Wanshu.

Gary

Wanshu has the same movement (with open hands) just before the jump Gary.

oneya.

[oneya]

Hi all,

the last two moves of Pinan godan?

Steve

btw Steve, I can't recall hearing it used so much in wado ryu but the last two techniques introduced in Pinan godan and featuring widely in Chinto kata would be called Manji-uke or manji gamae in some styles - Shoto for instance.
It is called so because of its likeness to the Swastika sign found in Buddhism and the Shorinji kempo mon.

There is also a form of traditional weapon (sai) shaped in this way http://www.fudoshindojo.hu/content/fegy ... isai02.jpg.

may your tree grow.

oneya

[AshleyBarai]

Hi Oneya and Gary,

Sorry for the delay. Just managed to grab a minute.

I am looking for an understanding of the word Yama. Not one I have come across.

I will ask tonight at training.

Steve

[wadoka]

Yama is mountain I believe and the technique is name as it looks like the kanji for YAMA.



The head and the two arms form the three lines.

If I am wrong, someone please let me know.

[Gary]

I have always understood Yamazuki to be "mountain punch".

Gary

[WadoAJ]

Yama is mountain I believe and the technique is name as it looks like the kanji for YAMA.



The head and the two arms form the three lines.

If I am wrong, someone please let me know.

That is right.
Rotate the image 90 degress right (or move your head) and look at the kanji. You might find something familiar.

AJ

edit: sorry wadoka, didn't read "The head and the two arms form the three lines"