A couple of interesting films here from an Italian group visiting Japan:
http://www.asyamashita.com/campionati_d ... yo_09.html
You can see Kobayashi teaching at the start then on the second film, Otsuka Kazutaka.
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A little bit of gamesmanship to soften up the visitors before the championships? :-)
Good to see Kazutaka Ohtsuka in amongst it.
Good to see Kazutaka Ohtsuka in amongst it.
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Pretty cool to see his son at 2:28. Could be the next in line decades later?
Sergio Phillipe
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O-o-o! I've seen sensei Kobayashi. He is very nice man and his tsuki and geri are very fast.
Aslan Datiev
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Kazutaka Ohtsuka and his son play around with sport karate...
Ok that’s really sad.......
You expect for them practicing Wado as martial art not as sport for kids...
Ok that’s really sad.......
You expect for them practicing Wado as martial art not as sport for kids...
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I'm interested....acer wrote:Kazutaka Ohtsuka and his son play around with sport karate...
Ok that’s really sad.......
You expect for them practicing Wado as martial art not as sport for kids...
Now you've got my attention please expand.
Why is this a bad thing?
Tim
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Ok imagine Hironori Ohtsuka sensei in his dojo (famous for his hard JiYu Kumite that everybody there practice and every technique allowed,a Wado as martial art first of all)practicing karate like sport for kids aka sport karate yelling ''ousaaaaa''…''ashaaaa''…''yeahhh I score sanbon'' etc...Tim49 wrote:I'm interested....acer wrote:Kazutaka Ohtsuka and his son play around with sport karate...
Ok that’s really sad.......
You expect for them practicing Wado as martial art not as sport for kids...
Now you've got my attention please expand.
Why is this a bad thing?
Tim
As I already said I prefer to see them practicing Wado as a martial art a not as sport for kids...
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Hi Acer,acer wrote:Ok imagine Hironori Ohtsuka sensei in his dojo (famous for his hard JiYu Kumite that everybody there practice and every technique allowed,a Wado as martial art first of all)practicing karate like sport for kids aka sport karate yelling ''ousaaaaa''…''ashaaaa''…''yeahhh I score sanbon'' etc...Tim49 wrote:I'm interested....acer wrote:Kazutaka Ohtsuka and his son play around with sport karate...
Ok that’s really sad.......
You expect for them practicing Wado as martial art not as sport for kids...
Now you've got my attention please expand.
Why is this a bad thing?
Tim
As I already said I prefer to see them practicing Wado as a martial art a not as sport for kids...
Thank you for your clarification.
Based on what you’ve said there are a few things I would like to focus on.
Personally when I watched the clip I judged it within the context it was presented and saw nothing inappropriate or ‘sad’. In what I saw; in fact if anything I was heartened and delighted by a number of aspects, namely that within that situation K. Ohtsuka was willing to muck in, stand in the line along with everyone else and sweat. I also liked to see father and son working alongside each other. Also, the practice I recall was a high mawashigeri; personally I don’t see that as the sole domain of contest shiai. I tried to imagine myself in the same situation (a few years back I trained inside the sweatbox of Meiji University Dojo) I cannot imagine a situation where I would baulk at being asked to get in the line and work on attack and defence with 20 year old University students, I think that would perhaps be a tad churlish.
I think you have made a huge leap in imagination with your caricaturisation of ‘sports kids’ and matching this against your perception of what you thought Wado was like in the days of the late master Ohtsuka. Personally I can see many many benefits of Shiai, as long as the tail doesn’t wag the dog.
But, as with all things these views are subjective and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Tim
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Doing what?Playing who is going to touch the other first?In what I saw; in fact if anything I was heartened and delighted by a number of aspects, namely that within that situation K. Ohtsuka was willing to muck in, stand in the line along with everyone else and sweat.
They can do that too if they practice Wado as martial art and train hard against real life attacks and how to handle them for example and not with the way we see here...I also liked to see father and son working alongside each other
I don’t know you expect for some people lets say of that caliber to see and practice Wado not as everybody else in the world (WKF sport ) but as something else. And if you see them play around with points etc for me its really sad...
Its not my perception, if you speak with Suzuki Sensei for example you will find out how the train was back then...I think you have made a huge leap in imagination with your caricaturisation of ‘sports kids’ and matching this against your perception of what you thought Wado was like in the days of the late master Ohtsuka