Maegeri - mawashigeri
Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:27 pm
So.....I might be totally off base here but...
Why is it that Otsuka Sensei's mawashigeri is not imitated by any of us?
The only one I know who actively copied him was Ajari.
I retract that statement. I think Shiomitsu Sensei and Suzuki Sensei also kicked like that? I am not sure. Please chime in if you know.
When I look at Shiomitsu Sensei's book it looks to me like he is kicking in a similar fashion to Otsuka Sensei which to me would mean that Suzuki Sensei did the same since Suzuki Sensei taught all those guys but that's just an assumption on my part and there should be plenty of people here that would have the answer. Shiomitsu Sensei was well known for his devastating mawashigeri.
Most people kick mawashi just like every other karate person with the hips open.
For those who do not know Otsuka Sensei's mawashigeri he never opened his hip.
The 'excuse' given by others (not him) was that he was old and not very flexible.
His upper body pretty much remained square. He did not open up the hip on the standing leg.
Older Okinawan Goju people also kick like that. I wonder if its a coincidence...
Then my main question (because I don't know the answer) is how is the ball kicked in rugby?
How is it kicked in football (soccer)?
I know how an NFL punter kicks the ball - similar to Otsuka Sensei's kick....
They never open the hip of their standing leg. The torso remains square.
If the ball in rugby and the ball in soccer is kicked the same way as American football then it gets interesting.
It is interesting because Otsuka Sensei's kick totally follows the internal spiraling model.
If you follow that model the torso pretty much has to remain square because the tanden has to rotate towards the extending leg.
The kicking leg is the upward spiral and the standing leg is the downward spiral. At least that is how I see it.
The most powerful mawashi I have personally experienced was when Dan Harden kicked me in the thigh 'lightly' and I could not walk for a month.
His kick obviously follows the internal spiral model with follows the NFL punter's outward model which follows Otsuka Sensei's outward form which follows the Okinawan Goju model....
I realize that just because it looks the same from the outside doesn't mean the same thing is being done on the inside.
But...if...some old farts were kicking that way on the outside and on the inside somewhere in China (Fuzhou) and Higaonna learned it that way and passed that on to Chojun Miyagi (founder of Goju)....and somehow Otsuka Sensei learned it from someone or figured it out since he understood the internal stuff..and...and..
So two main observations here.
1) Otsuka Sensei's kick was similar to an NFL kicker and nothing like the other karate people except older Okinawan goju.
2) Dan Harden kicks like that and destroys people.
If rugby, soccer, American football (the kicks aren't always necessarily vertical...they do kick diagonally) all have similar motions and if Otsuka Sensei has a similar kick then it becomes very interesting.
Typical karate kick - Kagawa Shotokan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MgBFVGjiE
Why is it that Otsuka Sensei's mawashigeri is not imitated by any of us?
The only one I know who actively copied him was Ajari.
I retract that statement. I think Shiomitsu Sensei and Suzuki Sensei also kicked like that? I am not sure. Please chime in if you know.
When I look at Shiomitsu Sensei's book it looks to me like he is kicking in a similar fashion to Otsuka Sensei which to me would mean that Suzuki Sensei did the same since Suzuki Sensei taught all those guys but that's just an assumption on my part and there should be plenty of people here that would have the answer. Shiomitsu Sensei was well known for his devastating mawashigeri.
Most people kick mawashi just like every other karate person with the hips open.
For those who do not know Otsuka Sensei's mawashigeri he never opened his hip.
The 'excuse' given by others (not him) was that he was old and not very flexible.
His upper body pretty much remained square. He did not open up the hip on the standing leg.
Older Okinawan Goju people also kick like that. I wonder if its a coincidence...
Then my main question (because I don't know the answer) is how is the ball kicked in rugby?
How is it kicked in football (soccer)?
I know how an NFL punter kicks the ball - similar to Otsuka Sensei's kick....
They never open the hip of their standing leg. The torso remains square.
If the ball in rugby and the ball in soccer is kicked the same way as American football then it gets interesting.
It is interesting because Otsuka Sensei's kick totally follows the internal spiraling model.
If you follow that model the torso pretty much has to remain square because the tanden has to rotate towards the extending leg.
The kicking leg is the upward spiral and the standing leg is the downward spiral. At least that is how I see it.
The most powerful mawashi I have personally experienced was when Dan Harden kicked me in the thigh 'lightly' and I could not walk for a month.
His kick obviously follows the internal spiral model with follows the NFL punter's outward model which follows Otsuka Sensei's outward form which follows the Okinawan Goju model....
I realize that just because it looks the same from the outside doesn't mean the same thing is being done on the inside.
But...if...some old farts were kicking that way on the outside and on the inside somewhere in China (Fuzhou) and Higaonna learned it that way and passed that on to Chojun Miyagi (founder of Goju)....and somehow Otsuka Sensei learned it from someone or figured it out since he understood the internal stuff..and...and..
So two main observations here.
1) Otsuka Sensei's kick was similar to an NFL kicker and nothing like the other karate people except older Okinawan goju.
2) Dan Harden kicks like that and destroys people.
If rugby, soccer, American football (the kicks aren't always necessarily vertical...they do kick diagonally) all have similar motions and if Otsuka Sensei has a similar kick then it becomes very interesting.
Typical karate kick - Kagawa Shotokan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MgBFVGjiE