Takahashi karate (wado)

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Takahashi karate (wado)

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Guess we all have seen other stuff of him earlier on YouTube. Think this is a new one with footage of various kata. Wonder about his leanage, Renmei?

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Re: Takahashi karate (wado)

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Hello,

He lands forward and turns after sokuto in Bassai, while in Wadokai you land next to your supporting leg. Then he uses a hanmi preparation for the two hand punch in junzuki tsukkomidachi, while (I believe) in WIKF they use a mashomen stance. Of course I don't know if everyone follows these standards, but one could speculate if this rules out Wadokai and WIKF?
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That's a puzzle. I would have said Renmei up to a point but the straight arm harai uke said 'no' to me.

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If you look at his Ni Sei Shi, it is Renmei. I think the enthusiasm for the camera pushes things slightly but the sequencing is as expected (close enough).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yly15cqCgY8
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claas wrote:Hello,

He lands forward and turns after sokuto in Bassai, while in Wadokai you land next to your supporting leg. Then he uses a hanmi preparation for the two hand punch in junzuki tsukkomidachi, while (I believe) in WIKF they use a mashomen stance. Of course I don't know if everyone follows these standards, but one could speculate if this rules out Wadokai and WIKF?
Hi Claas,

as for shuto uke after sokuto, I always have been wondering about those who chose to do it like that way. That way your body lands in at the position where the opponent collapses? In other words, there will be no sufficient space to move to in my opinion.

as for kamae before yamazuki, I believe wadokai uses hanmi dachi.

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For the sokuto, I think it could both be viewed as a penetrating kick to the ribs or a stamp that is directed at the knee or hip with the aim of driving the opponent down. That way, there is a need for the body weight to carry forward.

I've never been taught to bring the sokuto foot back to the supporting foot, always to drop in mahanmi dachi with no extra travel.
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wadoka wrote:For the sokuto, I think it could both be viewed as a penetrating kick to the ribs or a stamp that is directed at the knee or hip with the aim of driving the opponent down. That way, there is a need for the body weight to carry forward.

I've never been taught to bring the sokuto foot back to the supporting foot, always to drop in mahanmi dachi with no extra travel.
ah ok, thats also a point of view. I have always been taught to execute sokuto gedan instead of chudan. As for the use of weight, I guess pulling the opponents arm will do to attack the knee and collapse the opponents posture.

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I have seen several different ways along the way, which is OK. The chudan kick was more of a general talking point as opposed to exactly how I have been taught although I haven't been taught passai many times. The last time I was shown there was more of a turn and drop whilst controlling the opponents arm then a high knee lift to really come down.

However, I will say that sometimes we get shown stuff as part of the process as in 'have a look at this way' whilst the large hall lineup calls for something else.

I need coffee, not sure if I have got the point I wanted across.
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Re: Takahashi karate (wado)

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WadoAJ wrote:
claas wrote:Hello,

He lands forward and turns after sokuto in Bassai, while in Wadokai you land next to your supporting leg. Then he uses a hanmi preparation for the two hand punch in junzuki tsukkomidachi, while (I believe) in WIKF they use a mashomen stance. Of course I don't know if everyone follows these standards, but one could speculate if this rules out Wadokai and WIKF?
Hi Claas,

as for shuto uke after sokuto, I always have been wondering about those who chose to do it like that way. That way your body lands in at the position where the opponent collapses? In other words, there will be no sufficient space to move to in my opinion.

as for kamae before yamazuki, I believe wadokai uses hanmi dachi.

AJ
Hi AJ,

Here is a video about that sokuto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dowp_7Wdg0


Maybe it doesn't matter too much how you do it as long as you do it well, so why not just follow the standard of the organisation. I believe in Shotokan and Shitoryu the performance is the same regarding this detail as in Renmei.

Yes, Wadokai uses hanmi but Wadokai was already "ruled out" with that sokuto detail. :)
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Thanks claas, I was actually trying to find that same footage but couldn't get it and then had to go to work.
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