Teaching Wado Ryu?

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Teaching Wado Ryu?

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It saddens me to see high ranking sensei (5th Dan) messing with Wado techniques and principles or maybe not even understanding them.

http://ytchannelembed.info/video.php?id ... pto338gGSM

Looking at his kata videos on the same site

http://www.ismaauk.co.uk/videos.html

he seems to have decided that wado isn't his bag and decided to use Shotokan stances. It's a shame because I'm sure he a talented Sensei it's just that he's teaching some hybrid system and calling it wado.

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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

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This is so strange because I ran across this just the other day. I can't figure it out; he's lost the connection to the source. Here in South Carolina we have something similar...this organization (which was known as Heiwado but now says they teach Wado as handed down from Sensei Ohtsuka): http://www.japankarate.net/index.php. Nice folks...I just don't get how people get confused about what Wado is.
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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

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He isn't using Shotokan stances.
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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

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His stances are quite long, deep and power based. I watch him move in his kata and in many places he is having to rearrange his balance before moving, this is quite a subtle move but he is doing it in many instances. To me this is Itsuki and should be avoided. He's certainly not able to move quickly and freely in any direction.

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shep wrote:His stances are quite long, deep and power based. I watch him move in his kata and in many places he is having to rearrange his balance before moving, this is quite a subtle move but he is doing it in many instances. To me this is Itsuki and should be avoided. He's certainly not able to move quickly and freely in any direction.

Shep
Hi Shep,

I thought your were on about the length of his stances.

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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

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shep wrote:His stances are quite long, deep and power based. I watch him move in his kata and in many places he is having to rearrange his balance before moving, this is quite a subtle move but he is doing it in many instances. To me this is Itsuki and should be avoided. He's certainly not able to move quickly and freely in any direction.

Shep
In Shotokan do u have to rearrange your balance before moving?That has not been my experience.
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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

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I don't know but he seems to have to, maybe he should go to a Shotokan club and learn to do it properly then

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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

Post by jaronlegel »

It is precisely like Michael earlier stated, for some reason he lost the connection to Wado. This happened to me too when I was on my own for about 10 years. You need a teacher or someone who is able to point out mistakes and correct them. When people don't have this, they will come up with all kinds of solutions or explanations for techniques that haven't been explained to them.
And when they are teachers it is even worse; they will have to teach and explain their wondering thoughts as truth to their pupils. This way they are dragged into the swamp of wondering techniques and their karate will look like these nice guys in the videos.
I don't think it is Shotokan, I think it is Wado with loads of mistakes...

BR
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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

Post by Gusei21 »

Don't we all have to 'rearrange our balance' before we move?
I know I do.
The challenge is to do it in the most efficient manner.

Any time we are in a 'correct' junzuki stance we have to deal with inertia. We have to learn how to overcome it in order to move.
In order to overcome inertia we have to put our body in a state of unbalance otherwise you will be stuck there forever.
If you feel you are in balance then that means you are stuck. That's what 'in balance' means. (When you stand in junzuki your front shin should be perpendicular to the ground. If it isn't then you are not in balance. If you start that way then you are 'cheating' because you are making yourself off balance. Correct junzuki means front shin perpendicular to the ground. If you don't do that then you are only cheating yourself out of the gift that junzuki has to offer.

One of the learnings of junzuki is the art of unbalancing yourself in such a manner that you can move as quick as possible.

I was going to respond to Martin Duffy's junzuki thread as soon as I get time to breathe but this is what we spend the entire lifetime of our Wado career trying to perfect. That's why we do junzuki every practice. Soft knees, soft ankles, projecting your intent forward thru your front hand, pushing off the back leg, pulling on the back psoas, projecting the back knee forward, maintaining the 'dang', bringing that back leg forward while imagining that your gonads are barely dragging on the floor (will explain that in detail later...), feeling the connection of the front foot (that is about to become the new back foot) to your hand that is starting to punch, pushing off the new back leg as your punch extends. This is what we spend years developing.

It is not easy.
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Re: Teaching Wado Ryu?

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I hate to be publicly scornful, but this is some of the saddest, most self-deluded "martial arts" I've ever seen. It doesn't sadden me. It outrages me.

Greg

shep wrote:It saddens me to see high ranking sensei (5th Dan) messing with Wado techniques and principles or maybe not even understanding them.

http://ytchannelembed.info/video.php?id ... pto338gGSM

Looking at his kata videos on the same site

http://www.ismaauk.co.uk/videos.html

he seems to have decided that wado isn't his bag and decided to use Shotokan stances. It's a shame because I'm sure he a talented Sensei it's just that he's teaching some hybrid system and calling it wado.

Shep
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