Sanbon Jodan Uke #3

[WadoAJ]

Thanks Oneya and AJ. I'm glad I bounced this idea off of you both as I recognize I'm my formative years of studying Wado and don't wish to pick up bad habits. I did worry about leaving out some crucial elements that make up the sanbon as a whole so I'm glad that you clarified this to me.

As always, I'm grateful that this forum exists.

David

Hi Majin,

I think you can pick up some hints and tips here and there, but I think it will not really help your sanbon jodan 3. It can be interesting though to hear opinions of other people.
I hope you enjoy your training.

AJ

[majin29]

edit: for many people kihon, kata and kumite are separate things. For me it is connected, this is where I was getting at.

AJ

I totally concur. Doing drills of shifting lunge punch up and down the gymnasium make more sense now that I'm using it as part of Jodan Uke Sanbon 3. Context is crucial for me as I learn better when I know the application so I'd say my shifting lunge punch drills are improving because of the added reference to the sanbon.

And yes, I'm enjoying Wado far far more than any other martial art I've taken in my 44 years. It's vastly interesting and a real salvation right now.

[oneya]

HI David, can you please clarify " Doing drills of shifting lunge punch up and down the gymnasium" for me please.. The technique is a little bit too obscure to sort out.

Thanks

oneya

[majin29]

HI David, can you please clarify " Doing drills of shifting lunge punch up and down the gymnasium" for me please.. The technique is a little bit too obscure to sort out.

Thanks

oneya

For snapping and shifting lunge punch, we tend to move forward with the repeated shifting lunge punches, turn when we reach the end of the gym and alternate the lead hand. At this stage our instructors are trying to ground in the movement and motion of this technique. AJ has a video on YouTube of practicing this in this manner- here's the link. Sometimes it's hard for me to articulate properly in words-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nRaNXZtTcM

The only thing I will add is that we're more deliberate about each of the components than AJ demonstrates in this video- we partition them a little bit more to engrain the body movement. At AJ's level, it's all smooth and simultaneous.

[WadoAJ]

HI David, can you please clarify " Doing drills of shifting lunge punch up and down the gymnasium" for me please.. The technique is a little bit too obscure to sort out.

Thanks

oneya

For snapping and shifting lunge punch, we tend to move forward with the repeated shifting lunge punches, turn when we reach the end of the gym and alternate the lead hand. At this stage our instructors are trying to ground in the movement and motion of this technique. AJ has a video on YouTube of practicing this in this manner- here's the link. Sometimes it's hard for me to articulate properly in words-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nRaNXZtTcM

The only thing I will add is that we're more deliberate about each of the components than AJ demonstrates in this video- we partition them a little bit more to engrain the body movement. At AJ's level, it's all smooth and simultaneous.

HI Majin,

It is called Nagashizuki, or Tobikomi Nagashizuki.
I'm not sure what you mean by to partition, but it sounds like you are making two movements.
1. move forward
2. "step out"

If so, I would strongly advise against this kind of methods as it really helps in no way to improve the technique. This is just as bad as the mawatte example that I gave. Well, perhaps it is personal, but I don't see the point.It is not just a technique. It is a principle of body movement. Hence, it should effect all of your karate. If you do nagashizuki like that and you would connect it to you whole karate, it would not remotely like Wado..

AJ

[oneya]

HI David, can you please clarify " Doing drills of shifting lunge punch up and down the gymnasium" for me please.. The technique is a little bit too obscure to sort out.

Thanks

oneya

For snapping and shifting lunge punch, we tend to move forward with the repeated shifting lunge punches, turn when we reach the end of the gym and alternate the lead hand. At this stage our instructors are trying to ground in the movement and motion of this technique. AJ has a video on YouTube of practicing this in this manner- here's the link. Sometimes it's hard for me to articulate properly in words-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nRaNXZtTcM

The only thing I will add is that we're more deliberate about each of the components than AJ demonstrates in this video- we partition them a little bit more to engrain the body movement. At AJ's level, it's all smooth and simultaneous.

Hi David,

Nagasizukli and Tobikomizuki are two very different things and AJ is confusing you even more by using the two terms as if they were one. AJ is quite wrong, they are not the same thing at all. The simple way to look at this is Tobikomizuki is an attack while Nagashizuki is a counter attack.. In tobikomizuki the leading foot remains straight on because the body is launched directly forward throughout the attack - In Nagashizuki the lead foot is angled at the last moment and the body twists off line (to avoid the incoming attack) while counter attacking. Japanese terminology really does help in your practice so you should try to practice this aspect also.

oneya

[WadoAJ]

Dear Oneya,

I probably regret this post in the future, but for now I feel I have to reply, although I do not have to.

AJ is confusing you even more

Really? Did Majin tell you this? I guess that you are guessing. It does not look like it is based on a fact.

AJ is quite wrong, they are not the same thing at all.

I never said they are the same thing.

I can say online that I'm quite disappointed with your style of formulating messages.
I hope you will enjoy your karate.

Best regards, AJ

[majin29]

Sorry guys, I really didn't want to start any arguments here! I know the topic of this thread has kind of gotten lost. Obviously at my level it would be best to demonstrate what I'm trying to articulate (obviously very poorly!).

Please don't quarrel on account of my limited Wado vernacular. I have three instructors and each of them have a slight variation in approach to these both. However the one consistency among them all is that we run drills up and down the gym in the same manner that AJ demonstrates in that video I posted for Tobikomizuki and Nagashizuki. The way my instructors define each is that snapping lunge punch is like oneya said. The shifting lunge punch was also conform to oneya's definition by stepping off the centre line.

Once again, I really appreciate the input and I profusely apologize for creating any animosity between you seasoned karateka. I know you're both trying to help me in my Wado studies.

David

[majin29]

HI David, can you please clarify " Doing drills of shifting lunge punch up and down the gymnasium" for me please.. The technique is a little bit too obscure to sort out.

Thanks

oneya

For snapping and shifting lunge punch, we tend to move forward with the repeated shifting lunge punches, turn when we reach the end of the gym and alternate the lead hand. At this stage our instructors are trying to ground in the movement and motion of this technique. AJ has a video on YouTube of practicing this in this manner- here's the link. Sometimes it's hard for me to articulate properly in words-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nRaNXZtTcM

The only thing I will add is that we're more deliberate about each of the components than AJ demonstrates in this video- we partition them a little bit more to engrain the body movement. At AJ's level, it's all smooth and simultaneous.

HI Majin,

It is called Nagashizuki, or Tobikomi Nagashizuki.
I'm not sure what you mean by to partition, but it sounds like you are making two movements.
1. move forward
2. "step out"

If so, I would strongly advise against this kind of methods as it really helps in no way to improve the technique. This is just as bad as the mawatte example that I gave. Well, perhaps it is personal, but I don't see the point.It is not just a technique. It is a principle of body movement. Hence, it should effect all of your karate. If you do nagashizuki like that and you would connect it to you whole karate, it would not remotely like Wado..

AJ

Sorry AJ I didn't describe this correctly. What I meant to say is that we step forward, then bring the arm up (twisting as it rises) then snap back. There are no 2 separate movements for the stepping. It's just one. And at my kyu level (6th) we do it all in one motion. It's the 7th kyu level students are who instructed to break down Tobikomizuki in order for them to build their coordination appropriately. I practice this every day because I recognized it requires some fine motor movements and not gross motor coordination (gross=large in this case). For Nagashizuki I certainly agree that it probably can really only be developed though Sanbon or Ippon kumite drills as oneya said it's a counter attack and difficult to work on without the benefit of a nage.

[oneya]

Hi AJ,

Having been 'sprung' I can understand if you are feeling aggrieved but before you respond you should perhaps look to the evidence: In the first place you cannot refute the evidence because I am looking at what you have written here:

HI Majin,

It is called Nagashizuki, or Tobikomi Nagashizuki.

and in the second place at what you have posted on youtube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... nRaNXZtTcM

In both cases you refer to the nagashizuki technique shown in the video as Tobikomi Nagashizuki, which is wrong.

David's confusion is evident because he goes on to apologise for an error that he did not make.

Now would be a good time to apologise for the error.

As for this:

I can say online that I'm quite disappointed with your style of formulating messages.

If you are still aggrieved then perhaps further plagiarism is not for you any longer plus a keener eye for editing any differences between fact and fiction might be a better practice in the future.



oneya.

Dear Oneya,

I probably regret this post in the future, but for now I feel I have to reply, although I do not have to.

AJ is confusing you even more

Really? Did Majin tell you this? I guess that you are guessing. It does not look like it is based on a fact.

AJ is quite wrong, they are not the same thing at all.

I never said they are the same thing.

I can say online that I'm quite disappointed with your style of formulating messages.
I hope you will enjoy your karate.

Best regards, AJ