Hanshi Iwao Yoshioka

[shep]

I found this the other day of Hanshi Iwao Yoshioka performing Kihon Kumite 1-5



From what I can gather he is 8th Dan Shorin Ryu.

http://www.kskunion.com/apps/photos/pho ... =104909526

I dont know if he has any Wado experience, maybe someone out there will know. It makes his interpretation of KK all the more...... interesting.

shep

[steveig]

I didn't know they were practised outside of Wado.

Steve.

[oneya]

I found this the other day of Hanshi Iwao Yoshioka performing Kihon Kumite 1-5



From what I can gather he is 8th Dan Shorin Ryu.

http://www.kskunion.com/apps/photos/pho ... =104909526

I dont know if he has any Wado experience, maybe someone out there will know. It makes his interpretation of KK all the more...... interesting.

shep

Hi Shep. as you say.... interesting.. ! and If you search among the photographs of (visiting?) sensei on this site you will find Iwao Yoshioka down as 7th Dan wado .

oneya

http://www.bujutsuway.com/index.html

[shep]

Certainly interesting. So is the Shorin Ryu thing an error?

shep

[Gary]

I didn't know they were practised outside of Wado.

Steve.

They're not...or at least what we know as Kihon kumite aren't.

Many Wado paired kata (including kihon kumite) are very closely related to Shindo Yoshin ryu and even Tenshin Shinyo ryu kata, so there is no historic connection with Shorin ryu Karatedo in that sense.

Gary

[oneya]

Hi Gary,

The Shorin ryu's Itosu - Fuanakoshi - Ohtuska link has always seemed more logical to me than any link to today's Shotokan but even so I would hesitate to claim either one as Wado's exclusive forefather.

My understanding is Ohtsuka meijin's 10 kihon kumite were his own creation and while common sense tells us we can attribute influences from his wider experiences, the ten kihon kumite kata are not actually Shindo Yoshin Ryu kata.

This demonstration shows enough differences to make it... well different.. but we know this going in because we get a heads up earlier with reigi performed from a different philosophical point of view.

oneya

[blackcat]

I think he is the same Yoshioka who went to teach in Italy in late 1960's to support Mr Toyama who was teaching there.

In the background to the left it looks like Mochizuki (white hair, hakama and sword) watching. He was another karate / wado pioneer and actually the first person to teach Wado in the UK.

Ben

[oneya]

I think he is the same Yoshioka who went to teach in Italy in late 1960's to support Mr Toyama who was teaching there.

In the background to the left it looks like Mochizuki (white hair, hakama and sword) watching. He was another karate / wado pioneer and actually the first person to teach Wado in the UK.

Ben

Yep the same fella Ben, Iwao Yoshioka is OB from Nichi Dai, another top Kyushu fighter who came from Japan in the 70s and went straight to Italy and in doing so managed to miss out of the 5 AM Suzuki Tatsuo shaping sessions in the park. He also missed out of Toyama's influence because Toyama went back to Japan at that time. I think he's wado ryu renmei.

Mochizuki Hiroo was in the UK briefly but teaching Yoseikan budo which was his father's (Minoru Mochizuki) development. There was a period when Hiroo Mochizuki was "teaching" under the wado banner but it was not the wado ryu we know from Suzuki's time.

oneya

[blackcat]

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Mochizuki Hiroo was in the UK briefly but teaching Yoseikan budo which was his father's (Minoru Mochizuki) development. There was a period when Hiroo Mochizuki was "teaching" under the wado banner but it was not the wado ryu we know from Suzuki's time.

oneya

I think the Yoseikan budo came through later - not sure if what he does is the same as his father was doing, maybe he has developed his own ideas now. He was originally training shotokan - or yoseikan type shotokan - then he went back to Japan and changed to Wadoryu because it was the style at the university he was training at. The person he trained with was from the same fold as Suzuki Tatsuo.

Mochizuki did his own Dan gradings. That didn't go down well with Suzuki so I think that set a break on the cards (if it wasn't already there because of his fathers influence).

Ben

[oneya]

I think the Yoseikan budo came through later - not sure if what he does is the same as his father was doing, maybe he has developed his own ideas now. He was originally training shotokan - or yoseikan type shotokan - then he went back to Japan and changed to Wadoryu because it was the style at the university he was training at. The person he trained with was from the same fold as Suzuki Tatsuo.

Mochizuki did his own Dan gradings. That didn't go down well with Suzuki so I think that set a break on the cards (if it wasn't already there because of his fathers influence).

As with many who change from one style to another Ben it (Mochizuki's wado) wasn't wado enough for Suzuki so the parting of the ways was only a matter of time. Dan grading was always an issue but in those days no one understood how sophisticated it was and many still don't, so I think it was necessary if wado ryu was ever going to be able to stand alone.

I'm pretty sure Yoseikan Budo today has moved on from Minoru Mochizuki's day.

oneya