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... or "small" details, whatever that might puzzle someone.

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I came to think about a detail and the reason for it. Then I thought that there must be plenty of these details here and there all over the style, so to say, and a topic could be a good idea.

So the first one would be the following... I've been instructed to have a vertical fist when hitting with the elbow to the hand in for example Pinan Yondan and Kushanku. Why is this? Are there contradicting instructions out there?

A few days ago I came to think about one possible reason that makes a lot of sense, but of course I will wait for a while to hear the real reason. :) Earlier I hadn't really thought about it but the way I see it now, thought may not even be so important in this case.


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Hi claas and welcome,

Not to avoid answering you question, but did your think to ask your instructor about this?

As they say, the devil is in the detail.

Gary

Gary wrote:Hi claas and welcome,

Not to avoid answering you question, but did your think to ask your instructor about this?

As they say, the devil is in the detail.

Gary

I agree with Gary on this.
It is a very good question. If you know your Wado you already know the answer. But your instructor could set it you as a type of koan. That way you get more value out of the discovery of the answer.

Not meaning to be evasive.

Tim

claas wrote:... or "small" details, whatever that might puzzle someone.

First of all, Hello folks and a deep bow!

So the first one would be the following... I've been instructed to have a vertical fist when hitting with the elbow to the hand in for example Pinan Yondan and Kushanku. Why is this? Are there contradicting instructions out there?

Interesting question Claas,,

The vertical fist in this movement will serve to prevent damage to the Ulna nerve which runs along a channel on the underside of the elbow structure at the elbow.

Try this: place your right elbow with the palm down on the open palm of your left hand in the manner of the kata movement. Everything should be relaxed and the ring finger of the left hand should be resting on the Ulna nerve just under the point of the elbow. Rotate your right fist into tate seiken while feeling the structure of the right elbow joint during the rotation and you should be able to feel the way the ulna nerve slips underneath into a more protected position. In kata the consideration should be for the twisting of the koshi area rather than trying to strike the palm with too much force. It is not hitting the palm that is important but more the interplay of the waist and hips (koshi) to practice correct total body movement.

oneya

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On top of the fine detail that oneya brings, I am forever learning something which is great, think of the usual principles of shoulders down and relaxed and maintaining a trajectory of the elbow more akin to making gyakuzuki as opposed to a big radial swing.

You movement will work itself out over time and under instruction, that I can't put on a plate.

If you hold the empi position and and rotate the fist from vertical to horizontal position and back again. You may feel something different with the shoulders and elbow positions.

I see people repeated hit their elbow with their hand as opposed to hitting the hand with their elbow, talking into account oneya's comments about the interplay of the body. Using gyakuzuki sometimes can bring any wild swings back under control as part of the overall training process to encourage the hips as I also see far too many people just fall down into stance without much intention to cause any effective impact.

wadoka wrote:
If you hold the empi position and and rotate the fist from vertical to horizontal position and back again. You may feel something different with the shoulders and elbow positions.

Wadoka is right but if you do feel something different with the shoulders and/or elbows position you are carrying too much tension in those areas at a time when should have switched off the power.You should omit the power a split second before impact.

oneya

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i'm hearing that voice again in the back of my head: "little things make alot of difference"

AJ

Funny thing.

In Niseishi's 3rd movement the fist is held palm facing down.

AJ

It's just a small detail but Niseishi's 3rd movement is not a strike to the palm of the other hand..??

oneya

www.sannoya.com

oneya wrote:It's just a small detail but Niseishi's 3rd movement is not a strike to the palm of the other hand..??

oneya

http://www.sannoya.com

haha.

in chinto it is again..

AJ