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wadoka wrote:Even Jiro Ohtsuka wears knee pads.

Come on Bob, do it properly :-)

Gordon, you would be always welcome to come train with us if you feel you need to understand how to do it properly (sarcasm aside) ;)

Gary

[edit] and Bob for that matter.

Gary wrote:

wadoka wrote:Even Jiro Ohtsuka wears knee pads.

Come on Bob, do it properly :-)

If you learn how to do it properly, you don't need knee pads.

Gary

Occidental knees are accidental knees in the making.

oneya

Damn, there goes my excuse. Although I may call upon my Scottish heritage.

Out of curiosity, where are you drawing the line when you say these things are not for regular training?
idori, tanto tori, sword defense?
And out of curiosity does anyone here know how often the WIKF practices these in a typical dojo or at a seminar?

Every week together with kihon kata kumite...

Gary wrote: You're probably not doing it right then. Or at least your seiza isn't centered correctly.

A Brit telling a Japanese they don't know how to walk in shikko or sit in seiza.

ROFLOL..... You guys are pretty funny sometimes.

TSYR

TSYR wrote:

Gary wrote: You're probably not doing it right then. Or at least your seiza isn't centered correctly.

A Brit telling a Japanese they don't know how to walk in shikko or sit in seiza.

ROFLOL..... You guys are pretty funny sometimes.

TSYR

Yep, don't look now but I think the Empire melted long ago...!

oneya

Before the thread goes off topic...

It may well be that people outside of Japan also have something to contibute. Are the rockabillies in Yoyogi park as conversant in shikko as the rest?

Anyway, let's get back on the role and function of idori please.

[quote="wadoka"]Shumokudori footage



Hakoishi sensei calls this technique 'kubi jime' and on his video he shows it as a variation of shumokudori and gives it the full title of "ura nage kubi jime". Looking at the list of techniques from SYR (Tatsuo Matsuoka) and Tenjinshinyoryu (Kubota) that name itself does not appear within either of their shoden idori or chuden idori so I don't have any information on how he decided on the name.

Ben

Gary wrote:

wadoka wrote:Even Jiro Ohtsuka wears knee pads.

Come on Bob, do it properly :-)

Gordon, you would be always welcome to come train with us if you feel you need to understand how to do it properly (sarcasm aside) ;)

Gary

[edit] and Bob for that matter.

Gary,

If I came to your dojo your instructor would not be very happy with you...lol...
So let's definitely do it next time I am there.

Ok Gordon...back to idori... :)

blackcat wrote:

wadoka wrote:Shumokudori footage



Hakoishi sensei calls this technique 'kubi jime' and on his video he shows it as a variation of shumokudori and gives it the full title of "ura nage kubi jime". Looking at the list of techniques from SYR (Tatsuo Matsuoka) and Tenjinshinyoryu (Kubota) that name itself does not appear within either of their shoden idori or chuden idori so I don't have any information on how he decided on the name.

Ben

Hi Blackcat,

It's confusing isn't it?

Frequently the ura version of a particular kata will develop its own unique nick name. Takamura sensei did this all the time which drove us batty on occasion. Other times a teacher will employ his own nickname for a kata or read the kanji using an alternate or arcane pronunciation. It is one of the issues that really causes problems for those who cannot read kanji and are forced to represent names only in in romaji. Kanegidori/shumokudori is a good example. I'm fortunate to have inherited Takamura's extensive collection of densho including both a Tenjin Shinyo ryu and Yoshin ryu densho that includes furigana. When you look up this technique on one of the Tenjin Shinyo ryu densho in our collection the furigana says Shumokudori, but in an older Yoshin ryu densho the furigana says the kata is pronounced Kanegidori. To complicate things more for Shindo Yoshin ryu, the Akiyama Yoshin ryu (TSR) and Nakamura Yoshin Koryu (Totsuka Yoshin ryu) mixes different naming conventions. Sometimes the omote kata name describes the attack and the ura kata names the technique while in other cases this is reversed! (Seionage / Ushiro Dori & Ryote Dori / Tegaeshi). This is how over several generations different lines of the same martial art can develop a mokuroku that appears different but in execution is technically the same.

My guess is Hakoishi sensei is probably just describing what going on in an informal manner and not intending it to be a proper name.

Isn't Japanese fun?

TSYR