Hi HDT,
honoluludesktop wrote:When I started this line of questioning, I was aware that omote/ura translates to front/back, etc. I was wondering if the "urawaza kata" posted at the top might be a "thing", something different from kihon kumite kata (which I assumed was an example of omotewaza kata). I expected someone to say that this is urawaza kata one because..........; this is urawaza kata two because........., etc.
Well, you can immediately tell that the sequences are different than in the omote kihon kumite, can't you. I myself offered some alternatives as to how for example those might be. You just take the points and look again. Also visualize yourself performing or train with someone who knows how to attack properly.
When you are on the outside the threats and places to attack are very much different than on the inside, so the study for a similar technical manoeuvre becomes a little different.
I think you expect a little too much from the people here. Of course no one has to share anything. I myself try to share as much as I can, but pretty much never repeat any of my senseis sayings, because I do not feel I have the right to. So it always is something that is very generally known or my own thoughts about what I have learned. The stuff in between, the fingers pointing at the moon, you have to hear or feel at their dojos. Because they are not my fingers. I guess I am not the only one thinking somewhat like this here.
The point is, discussion about Wado is, and perhaps has to be, very careful from time to time, while sometimes some things can be simply said out straight. At those times, why not say it?
The important stuff however is a process of analyzing, training and learning.
I would guess the numbering is not important but of course I can't be sure. Any ideas, anyone?
I am lead to believe, by the responses I received here, that the kata above may have no special distinction as "urawaza". Perhaps they are not part of a fixed syllabus, but something that Ohtsuka created from time to time. I am also lead to believe that these kata may be studied by changing stances, etc., and elsewhere, it's suggested that I leave this forum. Initially, I thought that someone would tell me that Ohtsuka called this a urawaza kata because..........
One key would be to analyze how Kihon kumite is a complete system.
But then it has to be something else than an empty pair dance.
Also there is one huge difference on the surface level to the ten omote Kihon kumite that I hope you notice. By surface, I mean even someone not practicing any martial arts would notice this.
I think this is an interesting topic you have started. I also feel there is nothing wrong with this, so I cannot figure out any motives for suggesting that you leave this forum.