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WadoAJ wrote:
Hi Oneya,

I was actually thinking about DT's mention of aggressive, as I believe we already discussed this on the old AKF. I will look it up: found it!

Posted: Aug 28 2010, 04:35 PM

QUOTE (ippon @ Aug 28 2010, 04:29 PM)
The way we practiced "ippons" is what sold me on Japanese martial arts, at least where I started my training. Aggressive attacks and aggressive defense.

I'm having difficulty following your reasoning. There is no aggression in karate. Employing the strength of your spirit is good, being driven by emotion on the other hand?

AJ

for those interested: http://www.all-karate.com/forums/index. ... aggressive

AJ

Hi AJ,

Yes I remember that now, it had slipped my mind. There was also another 'aggressive' thread on All Karate and the Shoto folk were very vociferous in that one too..

oneya

Let's keep in mind the difference between principle, and application. Demonstrations are both, and except for the point that the demonstrator says that he is making, the balance of the demo is application (hence varied, and responding to the situation at hand). If my memory serves me accurately, I think the point he was making was "to place your mind behind, and step through the opponent in a natural manner". Aside from that, the balance of the kata is application responding to the situation at hand.

I recall Ohtsuka writing something about the difference between big, and small movements. As best that I can recall, that small movements while important do not make the technique work, it is the principle big movements that are important.

oneya wrote:

Gary wrote:

honoluludesktop wrote:...did you notice that Shiomitsu steps on the foot of his opponent in the process of the throw? I wondered if that was intentional, or by accident.

I'd say it was intentional. It features quite a bit in the Koryu group I practice with anyway.

At first I thought it was a mistake, but actually it is part of the technique, and very nasty when applied correctly.

Gary

Why would it be a mistake Gary when we practice this in Pinan kata.?

oneya

Yes, but it is interesting why that is overlooked by many.

I have never had that explained to me by a Wado sensei (or at least not whilst studying the Pinan kata).

Gary

Yes, but it is interesting why that is overlooked by many.

I have never had that explained to me by a Wado sensei (or at least not whilst studying the Pinan kata).

Gary

Gary,

Are we on the same track here? Pinan yondan kake uke?

AJ

WadoAJ wrote:

Yes, but it is interesting why that is overlooked by many.

I have never had that explained to me by a Wado sensei (or at least not whilst studying the Pinan kata).

Gary

Gary,

Are we on the same track here? Pinan yondan kake uke?

AJ

In Ohgami sensei's book, he refers to this as “stamping on your opponents front foot then standing on your right toes”.

I hadn't considered that as a trap as much as strike, but makes perfect sense.

Gary

Gary,

Are we on the same track here? Pinan yondan kake uke?

AJ

In Ohgami sensei's book, he refers to this as “stamping on your opponents front foot then standing on your right toes”.

I hadn't considered that as a trap as much as strike, but makes perfect sense.

Gary

Ah Gary, and I don't consider it being a stamp, especially not considering the dynamic of the body movement that is going on.

AJ

honoluludesktop wrote:Let's keep in mind the difference between principle, and application. Demonstrations are both, and except for the point that the demonstrator says that he is making, the balance of the demo is application (hence varied, and responding to the situation at hand). If my memory serves me accurately, I think the point he was making was "to place your mind behind, and step through the opponent in a natural manner". Aside from that, the balance of the kata is application responding to the situation at hand.

I recall Ohtsuka writing something about the difference between big, and small movements. As best that I can recall, that small movements while important do not make the technique work, it is the principle big movements that are important.

Hi DT,

My point is not the 'application' versus principle of a demonstration but your judgement of Suzuki sensei's technique to be 'aggressive' just by looking at a photograph. In my understanding emotion is the principle motivation for 'aggression' and psychological & psychiatric study suggest that aggression is fueled by anger or perhaps fear, which are emotions that leave one open to losing control over any situation involving conflict.

I am certain Suzuki doesn’t come into that category.

oneya

It was only after I animated this technique, that I notice that Shiomitsu intercepts the kick while the leg is still bent (muting the kick), and that it is his forward motion that initially unbalances the kicker.

Martial arts training involves stumbling through, and learning a technique by perseverance. I wounder if it's the stumbling that's important, not the details of the waza itself. Stumbling may be the way to acquire flexibility in execution (to step or not to step, etc.). Will precise knowledge prevent this from happening, and like many weight lifter, only develop strength in the dimension they train?