Out of curiosity, where are you drawing the line when you say these things are not for regular training?
idori, tanto tori, sword defense?
And out of curiosity does anyone here know how often the WIKF practices these in a typical dojo or at a seminar?
Hakoishi sensei calls this technique 'kubi jime' and on his video he shows it as a variation of shumokudori and gives it the full title of "ura nage kubi jime". Looking at the list of techniques from SYR (Tatsuo Matsuoka) and Tenjinshinyoryu (Kubota) that name itself does not appear within either of their shoden idori or chuden idori so I don't have any information on how he decided on the name.
Hakoishi sensei calls this technique 'kubi jime' and on his video he shows it as a variation of shumokudori and gives it the full title of "ura nage kubi jime". Looking at the list of techniques from SYR (Tatsuo Matsuoka) and Tenjinshinyoryu (Kubota) that name itself does not appear within either of their shoden idori or chuden idori so I don't have any information on how he decided on the name.
Ben
Hi Blackcat,
It's confusing isn't it?
Frequently the ura version of a particular kata will develop its own unique nick name. Takamura sensei did this all the time which drove us batty on occasion. Other times a teacher will employ his own nickname for a kata or read the kanji using an alternate or arcane pronunciation. It is one of the issues that really causes problems for those who cannot read kanji and are forced to represent names only in in romaji. Kanegidori/shumokudori is a good example. I'm fortunate to have inherited Takamura's extensive collection of densho including both a Tenjin Shinyo ryu and Yoshin ryu densho that includes furigana. When you look up this technique on one of the Tenjin Shinyo ryu densho in our collection the furigana says Shumokudori, but in an older Yoshin ryu densho the furigana says the kata is pronounced Kanegidori. To complicate things more for Shindo Yoshin ryu, the Akiyama Yoshin ryu (TSR) and Nakamura Yoshin Koryu (Totsuka Yoshin ryu) mixes different naming conventions. Sometimes the omote kata name describes the attack and the ura kata names the technique while in other cases this is reversed! (Seionage / Ushiro Dori & Ryote Dori / Tegaeshi). This is how over several generations different lines of the same martial art can develop a mokuroku that appears different but in execution is technically the same.
My guess is Hakoishi sensei is probably just describing what going on in an informal manner and not intending it to be a proper name.