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Scorpion Kick

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:09 pm
by Gusei21
Speaking of Aghayev.. it reminds me.
A few weeks ago one of the members of the WKF Referee commission, Javier Mantilla was explaining the changes to the WKF rules.
He also mentioned that the WKF Technical committee decided to allow a new type of kick to score.
This new kick is called the Scorpion Kick. Somehow we had a hard time imagining kids around the world practicing this new technique but you never know.
Why is it relevant in this forum?
Only because the inventor of the kick is Ko Matsuhisa, Japanese National Team member and JKF Wadokai member.

Here is the Scorpion Kick in action against Aghayev. Matsuhisa should have won that match but he blew it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jipv3_h8Y0E

Here is a longer clip of the match
http://www.karatetips.com/post/scorpion-kick.aspx

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:37 am
by acer
Why is it relevant in this forum?
Only because the inventor of the kick is Ko Matsuhisa, Japanese National Team member and JKF Wadokai member.
The inventor in what way?If you search on internet you will find it long time before Matsuhisa performed it.The most famous (but a little different)is that of Chloe Bruce.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHRhgq6UGM

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:59 am
by Gusei21
acer wrote:
Why is it relevant in this forum?
Only because the inventor of the kick is Ko Matsuhisa, Japanese National Team member and JKF Wadokai member.
The inventor in what way?If you search on internet you will find it long time before Matsuhisa performed it.The most famous (but a little different)is that of Chloe Bruce.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHRhgq6UGM
You are correct. Matsuhisa did not invent it. I should have said he introduced it to the WKF competition. Prior to that score the scorpion kick was not accepted as a valid kick. The WKF Technical committee decided after some deliberation that they would allow it into competition.
The other thing the WKF Technical committee proposed according to Javier Mantilla was removing all the Ryuei Ryu kata from the Shitoryu list.
This was done at the request of Tsuguo Sakumoto who is on the WKF Technical committee. They created a new category called 'Other' and that is now the new home of the Ryuei Ryu kata besides Wado Shito Shoto and Goju. I am not sure if the proposal has been implemented yet or not.

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:24 am
by acer
There will be other changes to from September I think..We will see...

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:44 am
by Kuroi Tsubasa
acer wrote: The inventor in what way?If you search on internet you will find it long time before Matsuhisa performed it.The most famous (but a little different)is that of Chloe Bruce.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmHRhgq6UGM
A little different :O
I do the one Matsuhisa performed at the end of my stretching regiment
I cant even get the proper chamber for the Chloe Bruce version :(

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:43 am
by oneya
Probably calls for a surgeon rather than a karate coach.

oneya

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:41 pm
by Wado heretic
An interesting technique, but not one I'll be trying to add to my arsenal any time soon. Doubt I can afford the surgery to my hips to be able to it.

I must say it does not look entirely effective, especially in that situation. Although it is a given that they are not allowed, last I checked the WKF rules, a knee or a throw would probably have been a much more appropriate option.

Although this aspect of karate is a sport; does any one else feel that the increasing acceptance of such techniques is slowly giving greater prevalence to athleticism and gimmicks over effective technique and strategy?

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:11 pm
by kyudo
Wado heretic wrote:Although this aspect of karate is a sport; does any one else feel that the increasing acceptance of such techniques is slowly giving greater prevalence to athleticism and gimmicks over effective technique and strategy?
It certainly crossed my mind...
Though I admire Chloe Bruce for her skill, I admire her as an athlete, not a martial artist.

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:37 pm
by Wado heretic
As it is a sporting aspect, I do feel that the scoring system should reward athletic ability. If you train hard then you should be rewarded for it. However, if someone can gain an advantage through a gimmick does that not detract from that ideal as well?

Saying that though, isn't the essense of strategy the effective exploitation of your own strengths in the face of opportunities presented by a foes weakness?

My gut instinct is that the increasing acceptence of these 'gimmicks' is a bad thing, yet I can't offer an effective argument for their exclusion or disallowing them. Aside from that they seem detached from reality and embrace a culture of competing to win, rather than competing as a test of your own skill. That though is my own philosophical hinge and it is unfair of me to want the WKF or other bodies to follow the same.

Re: Scorpion Kick

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:41 pm
by oneya
Wado heretic wrote: As it is a sporting aspect, I do feel that the scoring system should reward athletic ability. If you train hard then you should be rewarded for it.
Hi heretic, It may just be the way I view training but I really am having some difficulty seeing the reasoning in this notion of being rewarded for something you choose to do voluntarily and benefits only yourself.?

oneya