Uniting wado groups

[Gusei21]

Kyudo,

Mudana no chikara
Mudana no ugoki
Mudana no waza

??

Where did you cut and paste this from?
It should be Mudana chikara.
All the no's should be removed..
Mudana chikara - unnecessary strength
Mudana ugoki - unnecessary movement
Mudana waza - unnecessary technique
Unnecessary can be switched out with the word 'wasted' if you want...

[WadoAJ]

Kyudo,

Mudana no chikara
Mudana no ugoki
Mudana no waza

??

Where did you cut and paste this from?
It should be Mudana chikara.
All the no's should be removed..
Mudana chikara - unnecessary strength
Mudana ugoki - unnecessary movement
Mudana waza - unnecessary technique
Unnecessary can be switched out with the word 'wasted' if you want...

Shouldn't that be the case in any Martial Art?

[kyudo]

Mudana no chikara
Mudana no ugoki
Mudana no waza
Where did you cut and paste this from?

Right here:
http://www.kobo-itchi.nl/Kobo-ItchiWado-ryu.html

First time I heard the 'Mudana' thing. So I googled it. But notwithstanding the lousy Japanese, the concepts ring quite familiar to the wado ear.

Shouldn't that be the case in any Martial Art?

Not all MA seem to put that much emphasis on it:
http://youtu.be/1fTvjhjfQ0U

[Gusei21]

Just for the sake of accuracy..

muda na chikara
muda na ugoki
muda na waza

Muda means unnecessary.

I think perhaps someone saw 'muda na chikara' and it got changed to mudana no chikara'....

And yes AJ, it goes for all martial arts and not just Wado.
But sometimes muda can be non muda.
For example by looking strong (muda na chikara) people will not attack you because you look scary...
I have a gangster friend who takes steroids to look big because he doesn't want to fight. He just wants to intimidate you into giving up the goods because for him fighting is muda na chikara..lol.

[Tim49]

This simple little checklist only connects with Wado logic if everyone arrives at some kind of consensus as to what constitutes (for example) too much strength, or indeed if it is desirable.

I say ‘if it is desirable’ because when I trained for a while with one of the Okinawan systems they were big believers in overkill; which for us Wado people violated two of our guiding tenets.

Their view; hit the guy with every inch of the power you have available then stomp on his head at least three times to be absolutely sure (double tap, for those who know the reference).

And then there are Wado people who really have no idea what using too much power means, and can’t read the difference between celerity and overt brutality. Many kata performers display their own lack of understanding (or that of their instructors) with this shortfall.

Tim

[oneya]

Overkill - muda na chikara & muda na waza - seems to be the staple of demonstrations also because the demonstration intent is to impress the audience so three punches are better than one.. As you say Tim, Kata in tournament is often the same.

Your gangster buddy has his own Haka Bob..

oneya

[oneya]

-
While we are on the subject of wado: here is a little exchange that I first read about well over a decade ago.

"In class whenever I accidentally mess up a movement I look at my instructor in the eye and say,
'Wado ni wa muda ga nai'. There is no wasted motion in Wado.

To which my instructor retorts ,'first you have to do it correctly....'

It still holds good.

oneya

[Chiefobrien]

I'm kind of imagining or hoping that everyone from the 3 groups could practice with each other with complete freedom.

You'll find that many members of this forum already do exactly that. I, for one, am member of JKF-Wadokai but have always been treated in the most hospitable way when attending WIKF and Wadoryu Renmei dojos and events. The other way round, members of other organizations are most welcome in my dojo too.
So no matter the political differences, or even the stylistic variations, fortunately in that particular sense we ARE one happy family.

Ahh, but this is not the case for everyone. Not all of us can practice with each other with total freedom. Well.. at least in public anyway.

[oneya]

Ahh, but this is not the case for everyone. Not all of us can practice with each other with total freedom. Well.. at least in public anyway.

Ah, so maybe you are not so much a chief as an plain ol' Indian after all, Are those restrictions to keep you in - or to keep the undesirables out..?

oneya

[Chiefobrien]

Ah, so maybe you are not so much a chief as an plain ol' Indian after all, Are those restrictions to keep you in - or to keep the undesirables out..?

I'm thinking more what Gusei has posted in another topic:

Shoji and I are friends but we can't be seen training together for obvious reasons... We have to wait until certain people pass away before we can openly train together.