Sorry if this seems a bit rushed, but I've been too busy for too long and I have to get to bed ASAP. I am a member of Bushinkai. Outside of Iwakuni, Japan there isn't much info--no one is very good with computers or webpages! If I'm correct, Bushinkai was started in 1963. Sakura Sensei became a Shinto priest, and I think his responsibilities precluded going overseas to teach. Sakura Sensei was at Meiji University with Motoyoshi Jun and Hada Yoshitaka in the mid 40s(?); Suzuki Sensei was Nichidai I believe. There was an American airbase at Iwakuni, so many servicemen studied at Bushinkai Hombu dojo. John Bell and Floyd Smith trained with Matsuki Sensei, and I believe Bell was ranked godan before going to Cali. Sensei Smith is still in Philly, I believe. Sensei Patterson is not a member of Bushinkai, but rather Wado-ryu Renmei...Sakura Sensei has said he didn't remember him, but I thought therewas some who did. I heard that from Lenny Bennett or Bob Nash or read it. We had a Kendo instructor from Japan going to college here, so we practice kendo though not officially part of Wado-ryu. Same with our kenjutsu/jujutsu syllabus: Nakamura Sensei's mother's family studied Hokushin Itto-ryu and Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu, so we study that too. Not sure what teaching level was received, but it's not officially part of Wado-ryu, Daito-ryu, or Itto-ryu. Feel free to ask more; I just gotta go to bed. And your last statement I'm not quite getting...are you saying, well I don't know. Could you say what they said again, please?